Lemming, that's me
Nov. 19th, 2003 03:56 pmThere's something rather paradoxical about following the crowd under the banner of posting unpopular opinions, isn't there? In any event --
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musesfool said this first, but I'll endorse it: humor is much harder to write well than tragedy, angst, etc. (You will notice that I do not write humor. My mama may have raised a lazy child, but she raised no fool.)
2. Just because fan A, whom you don't know from Adam, posted criticism of a story by your good buddy fan B, or publicly disagreed with her, does not mean you are obligated by the laws of friendship to rain down anathema upon fan A's head, post nasty comments in her LJ, or bad-mouth her throughout fandom. You are not doing your friend a favor by acting this way; you're making her look bad.
3. It is entirely possible to have no opinion or strong feelings whatsoever about RPS one way or the other.
4. While having a story beta-read is in general a good idea, it is not always necessary. Some of the finest stories I've read in fanfiction have been entirely unbeta'd.
5. Slash stories do not need to have any sexual content whatsoever. Nor is explicit sex necessary to create an atmosphere of skin-shivering bone-melting erotic tension; in fact, the former can often work against the latter.
6. There are people whose idea of fun is having analytical, theoretical, meta-type discussion. The fact that they enjoy this in no way whatsoever affects your ability to have fun in other ways. They are not engaging in these discussions merely to make you feel bad. They are just having fun, and it is truly no skin off your nose.
7. The fact that someone has a big name in fandom does not mean that she is ipso facto an egomaniacal diva.
8. The people who write the episodes can make mistakes in characterization (to say nothing of continuity), just as fan writers can. Just because something happened on the show does not obligate you to treat it as holy-writ immutable canon.
9. Bad fiction may be displeasing to me, may make me unhappy, but it is not morally wrong or evil. I have yet to be convinced that bad writing actually *hurts* anyone. There is no moral onus upon me to condemn it, mock it, or do anything whatsoever about it.
10. In general, fandom tends to overvalue clever snark and to undervalue compassion.
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2. Just because fan A, whom you don't know from Adam, posted criticism of a story by your good buddy fan B, or publicly disagreed with her, does not mean you are obligated by the laws of friendship to rain down anathema upon fan A's head, post nasty comments in her LJ, or bad-mouth her throughout fandom. You are not doing your friend a favor by acting this way; you're making her look bad.
3. It is entirely possible to have no opinion or strong feelings whatsoever about RPS one way or the other.
4. While having a story beta-read is in general a good idea, it is not always necessary. Some of the finest stories I've read in fanfiction have been entirely unbeta'd.
5. Slash stories do not need to have any sexual content whatsoever. Nor is explicit sex necessary to create an atmosphere of skin-shivering bone-melting erotic tension; in fact, the former can often work against the latter.
6. There are people whose idea of fun is having analytical, theoretical, meta-type discussion. The fact that they enjoy this in no way whatsoever affects your ability to have fun in other ways. They are not engaging in these discussions merely to make you feel bad. They are just having fun, and it is truly no skin off your nose.
7. The fact that someone has a big name in fandom does not mean that she is ipso facto an egomaniacal diva.
8. The people who write the episodes can make mistakes in characterization (to say nothing of continuity), just as fan writers can. Just because something happened on the show does not obligate you to treat it as holy-writ immutable canon.
9. Bad fiction may be displeasing to me, may make me unhappy, but it is not morally wrong or evil. I have yet to be convinced that bad writing actually *hurts* anyone. There is no moral onus upon me to condemn it, mock it, or do anything whatsoever about it.
10. In general, fandom tends to overvalue clever snark and to undervalue compassion.
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Date: 2003-11-19 02:54 pm (UTC)Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh, Kat. It so totally depends on the writer. In 99.9% of cases, I'd say a story can't be hurt, and can possibly only be improved, by a beta. Even if it's just to weed out the typos.
Number 10 is my favorite on your list, tho. Most definitely.
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Date: 2003-11-19 04:20 pm (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2003-11-19 03:10 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2003-11-19 03:39 pm (UTC)::snapping off a crisp salute while wriggling and panting::
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Date: 2003-11-19 05:50 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2003-11-19 08:09 pm (UTC)Don't know why, but that sounds like Gerard Manley Hopkins. Or maybe an outtake from "Hamlet" -
Hamlet, I am thy minion's minion,
Doomed for a certain term to walk the night..."
Okay. Going to bed.
Excellent points, Kat. Though I am somewhat fond of snark, notwithstanding.
Dang....
Date: 2003-11-20 05:48 am (UTC)--Catherine the no-journal lurker
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Date: 2003-11-21 04:40 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Well, there was that time a hardcover copy of Sweet Savage Love fell off a bookshelf and knocked me unconscious, but...
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Date: 2003-11-19 04:24 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2003-11-19 04:46 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2003-11-19 05:09 pm (UTC)*I* have unpopular opinions;
*you* are, despite your many admirable qualities, just plain wrong;
*she* is raving batshit crazy.
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Date: 2003-11-19 05:12 pm (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2003-11-21 04:44 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2003-11-19 05:45 pm (UTC)Except that for 99.9 (as Des said above) people, it's not just a good idea, it's a necessity. Sometimes, even that doesn't help. While I don't find a badly written story morally wrong or evil, it is a waste of my time. And I have little enough of it.
And #10 is so incredibly true. It's sad that it should be that true.
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Date: 2003-11-19 06:37 pm (UTC)Ooh. Well put. Sometimes TPTB place other things above characterization (even the Due South writers weren't above bending characterization for a cheap laugh now and then, and Due South was an extraordinarily intelligent show), and sometimes they're forced to do things for reasons outside the world of the show (contract negotions, pregnant actresses, prime-time-show pacing). And sometimes they just plain get things wrong.
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Date: 2003-11-21 04:48 pm (UTC)True, that, and it always makes me grind my teeth. There's quirky charming inconsistency, and then there's stuff that's just stoopid. Thank god for the fast-forward button . . .
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Date: 2003-11-19 06:49 pm (UTC)Ooh, so so right. In an on-line discussion a few months ago, someone (a very smart someone who is neat and fun and a Good Person) wondered if slash would be slash without the "money shot".
I said yes, and then I did a little
I can totally imagine a slashy counterpart. A story can rock and roll even if the lube never once makes an appearance. Story, story, story.
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Date: 2003-11-21 04:52 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2003-11-19 08:03 pm (UTC)I'm especially fond of 4, 5, 6 and 9. Some writers are just plain better/more experienced and need little more than a good copy-edit. I've also been through enough workshops to see good stories made worse by a bad edit, and to see good writers frozen in their tracks by misguided comments.
And a big huge "thumbs up" to slash not needing sex scenes. I read for the emotional content, the characterization, the story -- which for me are often interrupted by poorly written sex scenes.
Actually, I can't choose favorites -- all ten are great!
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Date: 2003-11-21 04:55 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2003-11-19 09:18 pm (UTC)Number ten though, now that's a statement worth repeating. :)
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Date: 2003-11-20 12:50 am (UTC)You don't fool me, you egomaniacal diva, you. *mwah*
And oh man, #10. It is so very tempting always to try to be snarkier and more ironically detached than the next fan.
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Date: 2003-11-21 04:58 pm (UTC)It is so very tempting always to try to be snarkier and more ironically detached than the next fan.
And man, do I fall victim to that temptation from time to time. I've gotten a *little* better at catching myself before I hit the "send" button, is all.
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Date: 2003-11-20 01:47 pm (UTC)So perhaps I'll just go back to writing fic, because that always was the best medium for me, and leave the fandom meta to absolutely wonderful people like you. Or I'll just start talking in metaphors, like that race of aliens in Star Trek.
Love ya.
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Date: 2003-11-21 05:04 pm (UTC)And more fiction from you would be a great goodness and blessing. I still have "Heat Goes to Cold" enshrined in my all-time pantheon of Stories That Make Me Gnash My Teeth With Envy. Which I do, every time I reread it, which is often.