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[katallison]

A while back, I was nosing around amongst enneagram sites, and ended up posting some compilations of Type 1 and Type 6(counterphobic) descriptions that seemed remarkably apt for Fraser and RayK respectively. Just recently, while looking for something else, I came across this description of Types 1 and 6 in relationship, which also seemed spot-on to me.

(What I was actually looking for was stuff on 5 + 5 relationships, as a way of thinking about me and P., and that description is also pretty damn spot-on. Hey, some people do on-line quizzes, I noodle around with the enneagram, we all have our hobbies, 'K?)

Comments

Lalala

[aerye.livejournal.com]

If one were interested in finding out one's own type (::koff::), is the test here (http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/) one that you would recommend?

Re: Lalala

[katallison.livejournal.com]

Yeah, though I am *by no means* an expert, I think their freebie short form is pretty good; it's the best I've seen on-line, certainly. I haven't actually ponied up for the full paid version ('cause I'm cheap and all). But I would also assess whatever results you get against the type descriptors, and check out descriptions at several different sites. My favorite is actually http://www.enneagramcentral.com/eenstudy.htm -- he has a nice relaxed anecdotal/metaphorical style, and is pretty funny.

[bethbethbeth.livejournal.com]

I wonder how many of us have attempted to establish similar psychological profiles for our objects of fannish interest? Quite a few, I'd suspect, if we include enneagrams, astrological charts, and the like. I hadn't seen your compilations before, but I, too, have taken in-character personality tests, and each time I've come up with results that were nearly identical to yours.

The only thing that struck me as less than spot on with what you posted was in the section on potential pitfalls in the analysis of 1+6 relationships, this specifically: "Sixes will also find it difficult to talk directly about their feelings or fears...." Now it may be that Ray could learn to mask his feelings or fears if a relationship became stressful enough, but there doesn't seem to a great deal of canonical support for this being terribly likely. Apart from that, though, all three parts were bizarrely accurate.

-Beth

[katallison.livejournal.com]

Now it may be that Ray could learn to mask his feelings or fears if a relationship became stressful enough, but there doesn't seem to a great deal of canonical support for this being terribly likely.

What's interesting, though, is that while Ray can talk about feelings or fears, he usually seems to do that with someone other than the person they relate to. When he's talking about his feelings toward Stella, or toward his father, he does it with Fraser; when he finally comes out with that "You ever feel like you don't know who you are?" speech, he does it with *Thatcher* of all people. He can do straight-up in-your-face *fighting* with people he's pissed at, but when it's a matter of hurt or confusion or grief he seems to do the deflection and denial and then talk it out with somebody else. (His scenes with Beth Botrelle are striking in this regard; you can see him just *fighting* to keep it all pulled in, pulled together, both in the prison and in the tag scene, and then when he's with Fraser it all spills out.) So, I think if he were in a relationship with Fraser and it really went bad...he might try to find some way to talk about it, but I don't think it would necessarily be *with* Fraser. (Especially if Fraser was doing the pissy-critical thing. Which seems entirely likely.)