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I just hurt all over. Trying to remember if it hurt this bad in '72 and '84. Maybe, but I don't think so.

[livejournal.com profile] jennyo has a good post here on the need to keep fighting. Go read, if you're feeling despondent.

I posted last night that the people I felt sorriest for in this election were the traditional conservatives, and though my definition of who I feel sorriest for has expanded exponentially, still I think that long-term the Republicans have gotten themselves in a bad bind. This election really consummated their unholy marriage with the single-issue religious fundamentalists, which ought to scare the crap out of those Rep.s' who actually still believe in limiting governmental intrusion in the private sphere. And when the increasingly-unpayable bills for our foreign adventures come due, it'll be Bush&Co and the Rep.-dominated Congress that'll have to deal; with time, I think people might begin to suspect that a massive and growing deficit might just be a leetle more of a threat to the nation than, say, gay people wanting to get hitched.

Meanwhile: Patience. Stubbornness. Alliances. Communication. Tactical thinking. Refusal to give up. Fighting on in the dark times. All those things we fans admire in our heroes--we need to remember those now, and not just write stories about them. We gotta *be* our heroes. At the risk of being cheesy--are you ready to be strong?

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Date: 2004-11-03 05:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aerye.livejournal.com
We gotta *be* our heroes.

Thank you--this was the post I wanted to read this morning. Of course I'm saddened, of course I'm struggling to understand, of course I'm fearful about what this means for the future. But the sun came up this morning and it's a new day and new chance to keep pushing, and goddamn it, count me in for the fight.

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Date: 2004-11-03 05:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elke-tanzer.livejournal.com
Thank you.

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Date: 2004-11-03 06:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wickdzoot.livejournal.com
This hurts worse than '72 and '84 for me, I think. In '72, I was a dumb kid, and even though I hurt, the world stretched out forever ahead of me and I still believed that right would prevail over might. (Blame fiction.) In '84, I was a little distracted by my crumbling marriage and a new baby (the Salamander had just been born in July), so despite my depression, I was diverted by mundane things. (I watched the election returns sitting in the rocking chair with the Salamander in my lap while the Boy played with his cars in the ruins of post-dinner.

Today, I'm just sick. I don't know where to go or what to do with this sickness. I feel a lot like I've been hanging on by fingernails and the last one just popped off.

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Date: 2004-11-03 06:26 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] luminosity
I'm so disgusted. This hurts about as bad as 84, maybe more, since we're in a WAR. What does it take??!! I knew my state would go red, but I had to do my part anyway. sigh.

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Date: 2004-11-03 07:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thisisbone.livejournal.com
Mr. Bone and I were Dem Party volunteers in Orlando in 2000. I vowed then that I'd never again let an election have such an impact on my emotional state. I was disappointed to learn that the "I-4 Corridor" went for Bush this time, but given whose in the governor's seat, it's not a huge shock.

Your post helped, Kat. It reinforced what Mr. B and I were saying this morning, which is it's not the war, it's not the deficit, it's not terrorism. It's the gay thing. That wasn't even an option on the "Why did you vote as you did?" polls I saw, but it's pretty clear looking at the results that "morals" drove the election.

I'm trying to look at it this way -- Bush will now have four years to clean up the shitty mess he's made, and if the country can't figure out in that time what a jackass he is, then frankly, I guess it deserves what it gets.

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Date: 2004-11-03 07:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wickdzoot.livejournal.com
My problem with that, sadly, is that my son has already been to Iraq once, and now, I'm afraid, he may be sent again. Yeah, the country gets what it deserves in that sense, but my son is too old to abduct and take to Canada (as if my daughter).

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Date: 2004-11-03 08:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] violetisblue.livejournal.com
You know, I was pretty upset last night but it was Molly Ivins of all people who half-jokingly asked several months ago, "Do we really want Kerry to win and inherit this mess?" You know he'd be blamed for all of it, every bit. So let Bush stumble through his lame-duckness (assuming he actually does take the states still in play, of course), all of it, with my compliments. Only thing worse than not getting what you want, etc.

And by the way, gay marriage/civil union initiative voters, you've accomplished squat-all in the way of impeding my private life, and when push comes to shove you will not win. So enjoy the good feelings now, because history isn't on your side.

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Date: 2004-11-03 08:25 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] oneminutemovies.livejournal.com
You're wonderful The voice of reason. Thank you!

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Date: 2004-11-03 02:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] namastenancy.livejournal.com
A beautifully written post - as are all your posts but I fear that what we see as important does not register in the brains of those who voted for Bush. I've read letters and opinions which state that Bush voters know that the war is going badly, that the economy is in the toilet, that all the things that we point out as wrong ARE wrong - ---- and yet, they voted for Bush anyway. Logic has nothing to do with it. Values - real values - have nothing to do with it. As Buffy said, it's all about power. He and his black shirts appeal to the kick-em-in-the-ass and make 'em eat shit portion of the population. It's the kill, loot, plunder and die! ..fill in the blank. In a way, I'm glad that Kerry didn't have to try to clean up the mess but I'm not at all sure that Bush and his minions will do so. OR see any need to do so.

namaste SF Nancy

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Date: 2004-11-03 02:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] namastenancy.livejournal.com
I guess my post wasn't very optimistic. Sorry. I'm glad that I live in a very liberal place and that my church is extremely liberal and very active in local politics. I'm one of the middle aged and tired ones today but I still keep on plugging away.

namaste SF Nancy

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